Immigration is an issue that, in my opinion, a lot of libertarians still have trouble coming to grips with reality on. Even libertarian paragons like Milton Friedman and Murray Rothbard held relatively restrictionist views (in practice, anyway, not necessarily in theory) when it came to immigration. Even Ron Paul (who I think is fantastic on virtually every other issue) wants to
put armed troops on the border with Mexico! Don't think for a minute they'd just be playing poker...
I, myself, am an almost completely open immigration type and it's an issue that I love to debate. I even managed to convince a Libertarian candidate running for congress to change his position on birthright citizenship earlier this year.
A few months ago I had an interesting conversation with an immigration restrictionist, who also happens to be a fellow member of
the Republican Liberty Caucus of Washington and supporter of Ron Paul, over facebook. Here is the exchange:
RLC Person: Can we talk about immigration? I'd like to try to
understand why some of you seem to think the US has no right to prevent
citizens from other nations from crossing our borders to live and/or
work.
Me: I don't think the US has *no* right to restrict
immigration, but I think that the burden of proof should be on those who
seek to prevent peaceful people from trying to improve their lives
rather than on those who would allow it. I think if you take that view
there are only really two reasons why you should prevent someone from
immigrating (and please, if you've got another one let me know):
1.) They have a criminal background.
2.) They carry a deadly and contagious disease.
That's it. Get rid of quotas, and let all peaceful people immigrate and
it will be much easier to catch those who would do us harm.
RLC Person: Kyle, do you think America belongs to the American people?
Me: What do you mean by "America"? Americans own most of the land in
America. But that doesn't mean immigrants couldn't rent an apartment
(which is a mutually beneficial trade). I don't accept the argument that
one person, or group of people, should be able to prevent a mutually beneficial
trade without overcoming a significant burden of proof.
RLC Person: I mean, do you think this nation belongs to Americans, as in US citizens.
Me: I believe in a limited government. Regardless of who controls it
(and yeah, I guess theoretically US citizens control the government but I
tend to think of the government as "them" rather than "us" since they
generally don't represent anything I stand for). Regardless of who
the government belongs to, there should be limits on its power. One of
the limits should be on their ability to prevent peaceful people from
working to improve their lives.
RLC Person: OK, so do you
think you have some sort of natural right to move and work in Australia
or Mexico or Denmark if that's what you'd like to do? You don't think
the people of Australia and Mexico and Denmark have the right to decide
who gets to live and work in their nations?
Me: The only right
they have to prevent me from doing so is derived from the barrel of a
gun. It is not any kind of natural right.
RLC Person: Do you
have the right to prevent other peaceful people from entering your home
and sleeping in your bed, rocking in your chair, or eating your Quaker
Oats?
Me: Yes, I own my home. But this is a false analogy.
Immigrants do not break into people's houses. They generally rent
apartments from people who enjoy collecting the rent. If no one would
rent or sell them a place to stay, they could not come.
RLC Person: No, it is not a false analogy. America is home to Americans, not Australians.
Me: Yes, it is a false analogy. Here is a closer analogy:
Do you have the right to prevent your neighbor from renting his
basement out to other peaceful people? Do you have the right to prevent
those peaceful people from purchasing food at "your" local grocery
store?
The answer is no because your neighbors house is not yours,
even though it is in your neighborhood, and the local grocery store
owner is the one who owns the grocery store.
RLC Person: That
would be all well and good if the neighbors new tennents weren't using
the local ER for medical treatment they can't pay for, sending their ESL
students to the neighborhood schools etc...
Me: Ok, so now
what you are asking is a totally different question. Do we have the
right to prevent immigrants from using government services? The answer
is an *emphatic* "yes." [
In retrospect, I should have pointed out that this may not be a great idea in every case, but ah well... live and learn.]
RLC Person: Even if all of the other
issues are worked out...government services, and taxes the issue of
limited resources will continue to exist. So, unless we're going to
acquire additional land, water, energy etc we still cannot allow
everyone who would like to live and work here come without diminishing
the quality of life of future generations.
Me: Limited
resources is not an issue. You need to understand economics. These
people produce things. Every dollar they earn represents more than a
dollar of goods or services that they provided to the market. And
anyway, the market prevents things from becoming scarce. Scarcity means
increased prices and profits, more room for entrepreneurs to enter the
market and keep everyone happy. It is NOT an issue.
The price of
resources goes down over time, and has for hundreds of years. This
reflects the decreasing scarcity of these resources. In fact, the only
factor of production that reliably becomes more expensive over time is
labor. What does that mean? We have a scarcity in people (and it's
created by the government preventing people from immigrating!).
RLC Person: If there is one thing this country is not facing a
scarcity of it is people. Additional people require additional space,
water and energy. They produce additional trash and pollution.
Me: Additional people also produce clean water and energy, they build
places to live (and if you lived where I do, in rural Eastern
Washington, claiming that we lack space would not pass the laugh test),
and they clean up trash and pollution. The cleanest places in the world
are also the most advanced.
People produce more than they consume.
Every dollar they earn represents more than a dollar of goods or
services that they provided.
RLC Person: Tell it to the trees,
the wolves, the rivers, the bears, and all of the other species
threatened or endangered by loss of habitat to human activity and the
people inhaling the air in San Bernardino and other areas plagued by
smog.
Me: Do you think that people create more pollution in
poor countries (where they literally do their laundry in the rivers) or
in an advanced country like the United States? Isn't it better for the
environment to have these people living in a prosperous country than in
poverty?
RLC Person: Kyle, the answers to these problems
cannot be solved by letting them all come HERE. The answers to the
problems of the citizens of other nations rest with them. We cannot
house the world any more than we can police the world.
Me: Who
are you to decide whether they should be allowed to go anywhere? If
they are coming here and renting an apartment from someone who wants to
rent it to them of course they can be housed here.
RLC Person: You need to read my previous statement and consider the truth I just stated, Kyle.
Me: It's not a truth. It's just a slogan. It's like saying "We can't
police the world so we can't feed the world." Well, we already feed the
world. It doesn't matter if they're here or not. These are problems of
economics, not government, and the market solves these problems very
well.
RLC Person: The problem isn't just economics. What did
you read a couple of books or articles and now everythings about the
free market? The world is a complicated place and living in it requires
more than just a sound economy.......which in case you hadn't
noticed......we don't have to share with all of these people you want to
throw the doors open to.
BTW, we do not "feed the world". Hell, we
don't even feed ourselves. Go to a supermarket, a big one.....say
Walmart or other large chain and look at the produce, check out all of
those country of origin labels. Go on and look at canned and bottled
foods like mushrooms and garlic and see what nation produced them. Head
over to the seafood and check out just how much of the shrimp comes from
other countries.
I don't know where you've spent your young life,
in school I hope but you need to get out in the real world and live a
little and see the way things actually are instead of the way you think
they are or wish they would be.
At this point a lot of other members from the RLC started jumping in and arguing with her. After a while, she
ended up posting a link to a schoolhouse rock song about "
elbow room." I think that gives you a pretty good picture of the level of thinking we're dealing with on the restrictionist side.
Additional arguments in favor of a more open immigration policy can be found
here,
here,
here,
here and
here.